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		<title>Comment on Coworking Day Everyday by nic</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2010/08/09/coworking-day-everyday/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right, I like the Blogger&#039;s Meetup as well, so I&#039;ll schedule my meet-ups on a different day. Thanks for pointing it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right, I like the Blogger&#8217;s Meetup as well, so I&#8217;ll schedule my meet-ups on a different day. Thanks for pointing it out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coworking Day Everyday by John</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2010/08/09/coworking-day-everyday/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d mention that timing might not be so good since Atlanta Bloggers Meetup is Wed evening as well as the Marietta Business Association Expo at the civic center.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d mention that timing might not be so good since Atlanta Bloggers Meetup is Wed evening as well as the Marietta Business Association Expo at the civic center.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by Danny Mustafic</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Mustafic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this a lot. Ever since you did this and i have implemented on clients sites, i&#039;m not hearing back from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this a lot. Ever since you did this and i have implemented on clients sites, i&#8217;m not hearing back from them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by nic</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sunriser that&#039;s what I meant by more elaborate, love it. Anything that gets us away from CAPTCHA is a step in the right direction.

Thanks for the heads up on Six Revisions, that&#039;s great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sunriser that&#8217;s what I meant by more elaborate, love it. Anything that gets us away from CAPTCHA is a step in the right direction.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up on Six Revisions, that&#8217;s great.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by Sunriser</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunriser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I ment was that the &quot;visibility: hidden&quot; can easily be captured by a bot. Assigning some css to it is harder to capture I believe, especially if there is no attribute &quot;visibility: hidden&quot; or &quot;display:none&quot; in that class. For example, if your form has a black background, you could have this class assigned to the input field: 
.specialclass{
	width: 1px;
	border: 0px;
	background-color: #000000;
}

The activity on this post is thanks to sixrevisions, who posted this article on twitter ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I ment was that the &#8220;visibility: hidden&#8221; can easily be captured by a bot. Assigning some css to it is harder to capture I believe, especially if there is no attribute &#8220;visibility: hidden&#8221; or &#8220;display:none&#8221; in that class. For example, if your form has a black background, you could have this class assigned to the input field:<br />
.specialclass{<br />
	width: 1px;<br />
	border: 0px;<br />
	background-color: #000000;<br />
}</p>
<p>The activity on this post is thanks to sixrevisions, who posted this article on twitter <img src='http://nicolasrosental.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by nic</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for the comments, I hadn&#039;t seen activity on this post in a while.
I agree that this is a very simplistic approach, but it was intended as a starting point for other ideas. And it seems that it worked as many of the proposed improvements sound very interesting.

@Sunriser that is exactly what this is doing, the field is not of hidden type, it&#039;s in essence &quot;blending&quot; with the design. I&#039;d really like to see some variants where the blending is more elaborated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the comments, I hadn&#8217;t seen activity on this post in a while.<br />
I agree that this is a very simplistic approach, but it was intended as a starting point for other ideas. And it seems that it worked as many of the proposed improvements sound very interesting.</p>
<p>@Sunriser that is exactly what this is doing, the field is not of hidden type, it&#8217;s in essence &#8220;blending&#8221; with the design. I&#8217;d really like to see some variants where the blending is more elaborated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by Sunriser</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunriser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with baha. Just a matter of days before bots are adapted to ignore the hidden fields. I also agree that we should search for alternatives!
Just a thought: perhaps assigning a class to the input field so the input field is not &quot;hidden&quot; in script, but hidden for a human user: extremely small or styled to blend in with the design?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with baha. Just a matter of days before bots are adapted to ignore the hidden fields. I also agree that we should search for alternatives!<br />
Just a thought: perhaps assigning a class to the input field so the input field is not &#8220;hidden&#8221; in script, but hidden for a human user: extremely small or styled to blend in with the design?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by Max Luzuriaga</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Luzuriaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice! Really smart idea, would love to see how this affects real-life spambots...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! Really smart idea, would love to see how this affects real-life spambots&#8230;<br />
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		<title>Comment on Prevent Form Spam Without CAPTCHA by Ast Derek</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/06/08/prevent-form-spam-without-captcha/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Ast Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you wanted to avoid target-specific scripts, you could encrypt the field names, use javascript/css to target the hidden fields (or the visible ones), and send a timestamp/identifier to validate the input fields.

Encrypt the fields using a secret key, a timestamp, and the name of the field. Propagate the timestamp to be able to check the name of the field, and if invalid names are retrieved, or the incorrect fields are filled, consider it as a bot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wanted to avoid target-specific scripts, you could encrypt the field names, use javascript/css to target the hidden fields (or the visible ones), and send a timestamp/identifier to validate the input fields.</p>
<p>Encrypt the fields using a secret key, a timestamp, and the name of the field. Propagate the timestamp to be able to check the name of the field, and if invalid names are retrieved, or the incorrect fields are filled, consider it as a bot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter API 101 &#8211; Authentication with PHP and cURL by nic</title>
		<link>http://nicolasrosental.com/2009/01/23/twitter-api-101-authentication-with-php-and-curl/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hugo,

I&#039;m glad it helped, but keep in mind that this authentication method is out of date and won&#039;t work anymore. You should definitely look into OAuth, I&#039;ve been meaning to write an post on it but it might be a little while.

I think that the only way you&#039;d be able to get the email address is if you are acting as the user itself, I don&#039;t think there are any third party calls that will give you that info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hugo,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad it helped, but keep in mind that this authentication method is out of date and won&#8217;t work anymore. You should definitely look into OAuth, I&#8217;ve been meaning to write an post on it but it might be a little while.</p>
<p>I think that the only way you&#8217;d be able to get the email address is if you are acting as the user itself, I don&#8217;t think there are any third party calls that will give you that info.</p>
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